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Thursday, May 19, 2005

Re: JCO:Passions and Meditations

What collection of short stories is/are these stories in? Is it one
story (ie Passions and Meditations) or two?

ruth

On 19-May-05, at 4:16 PM, Perla Dueck wrote:

> I am reading Joyce Carol Oates'  short story Passions and Meditations
> and it seems to me that the story is a case study of some sort of
> mental illness.  I noticed hints of multiple personality disorder and
> what might be schizophrenia but I am not sufficiently familiar with
> psychology to know what mental disease is described.  Would someone
> who is more familiar with mental illness be able to tell me which
> mental illness is portrayed in Passions and Meditations?
>  
> Thank you
>  
>
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JCO:Passions and Meditations

I am reading Joyce Carol Oates'  short story Passions and Meditations and it seems to me that the story is a case study of some sort of mental illness.  I noticed hints of multiple personality disorder and what might be schizophrenia but I am not sufficiently familiar with psychology to know what mental disease is described.  Would someone who is more familiar with mental illness be able to tell me which mental illness is portrayed in Passions and Meditations?
 
Thank you
 


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Re: JCO: Still about Jinxs

Hi Joy,

I think I need to re-read the story to be able to get into much more
than we've done already. However, I do think we are coming from
slightly different places ..... not a bad thing .... interesting,
though.

The one thought I have though, is that I don't think Jinx is a
stereotype. I don't think JCO writes about stereotypes. As I understand
it, a stereotype is a simplified and usually one dimensional
characterization, rather than the very complex human beings that JCO
writes about. Frankly, I am tired (generally) of reading about
stereotypes as they tend to simplify the human condition, and imply
that life is easier than it is, thus leaving the reader with many more
judgmental ideas about each character's choices.

For me, JCO communicates the deep complexity of "the human condition"
with compassion and respect for the many people who are faced with
extremely difficult choices, and too little information and resources
to anticipate or "direct" their lives.

Sorry I can't get into this much more. I'm leaving town for several
weeks so won't be responding for awhile.

catch you later.
ruth

On 12-May-05, at 10:08 PM, Joy Armendariz wrote:

> hi ruth,
> if I follow your idea, then I would say that jinx definitely made
> small choices starting with walking iris home, that led him to his
> final and depressive state. But, the circumstances that surrounded
> those events where outside Jinx's control, and that is what I meant.
> We are absolutely responsables for our decisions and the consequences
> they carry, but if we move toward a specific direction, we wouldn't be
> able to control our surrounding. Still, I'm thinking that Jinx
> couldn't end up differently despite his choices. And I'm not saying
> that everyone is doom to the same fate, but more to the idea that when
> your heart is bitter (as the excellent title's choice JCO made), then
> nothing would change your circumstances, not even your small choices.
> I cannot comment much about Jinx because I find him very enigmatic,
> but stereotyped at the same time.
> But, what do you think? do you think Jinx is a stereotype? of what??
> I'm too interested in everybody else opinion.
> Thanks.
> Joy
>
>
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