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Friday, October 14, 2005

JCO: Journal titles

Cyrano,

Thank you for the recommendations!

Cindi
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Re: JCO: RE: Nobel Prize

Andy, your point is well taken.  I'd forgotten about Morrison. 

Going off onto a women tangent, however, I think Gordimer was just a couple years or maybe just one year before Morrison -- I've forgotten just how few women have won the literature Nobel.  Ah well, it sounds like you're still young enough that you'll be able to look at the nominations and argument records for this year when they're released in another 50 and see if JCO had even been nominated!  tee-hee.  I'm afraid I won't be around to look it up in another 50 years.

Dang, every year I fall for the rumors with their supposed "leaks."  :-)  My early New Year's resolution for 2006 is not to let myself read any of the news articles about the future "probablies."  I'll just wait for the actual announcement. 

Yeah, right.

Cindi

LitAsk@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/14/2005 12:09:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Cyranomish@aol.com writes:
Hi, Steve.  Yeah, we're not very popular right now.  But perhaps JCO's
portrayals of US culture -- warts and all -- might appeal to the judges.  (PS:
technically, Bellow was Canadian, though his writing is thoroughly Usonian -- to
use Frank Lloyd Wright's precise designation for all things pertaining to the
USA.)
Cyrano
Toni Morrison won the Nobel in 1993, and the United States became involved in the Gulf War just two years earlier (the resolution passed the House of Representatives in January 1991 with exactly 50 more nays than the current Iraq war). I can't recall what the situation was in 1993, as I was too young to be politically cognizant, but of course that situation was not as inflammatory as the current war, and with this war--well, let's just say I hope that JCO lives to be VERY old if indeed an American can't win the Nobel while we're involved in Iraq. As for Pinter being a Brit, I get the sense that the people of Britain have been a lot angrier for a lot longer about the war than people in the USA, as a whole.
 
Andy

Re: JCO: RE: Nobel Prize

In a message dated 10/14/2005 12:09:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Cyranomish@aol.com writes:
Hi, Steve.  Yeah, we're not very popular right now.  But perhaps JCO's
portrayals of US culture -- warts and all -- might appeal to the judges.  (PS:
technically, Bellow was Canadian, though his writing is thoroughly Usonian -- to
use Frank Lloyd Wright's precise designation for all things pertaining to the
USA.)
Cyrano
Toni Morrison won the Nobel in 1993, and the United States became involved in the Gulf War just two years earlier (the resolution passed the House of Representatives in January 1991 with exactly 50 more nays than the current Iraq war). I can't recall what the situation was in 1993, as I was too young to be politically cognizant, but of course that situation was not as inflammatory as the current war, and with this war--well, let's just say I hope that JCO lives to be VERY old if indeed an American can't win the Nobel while we're involved in Iraq. As for Pinter being a Brit, I get the sense that the people of Britain have been a lot angrier for a lot longer about the war than people in the USA, as a whole.
 
Andy

Re: JCO: RE: Nobel Prize

But, and please correct me if I am mistaken, Pinter is thoroughly anti Iraq involvement and, assuming they are familiar with his more recent work, this would, I think,  appeal to the other europeans.  Ah, well. 

Cindi

P.S.  I second the thoughts on Edward Albee.  And, as an aside, I do not personally see Margaret Atwood ever winning or even being seriously considered -- her writing is too appealing to the average joe (tee-hee).  She's not far enough "out there," not existential enough or absurdist enough or . . . (IMHO).
  :-)


RFoley7292@aol.com wrote:
I can understand your logic about Americans not winning while we are involved with Iraq; however, Pinter is a Brit, and they are, in the eyes of the muslim world, equally evil.

Re: JCO: RE: Nobel Prize

I can understand your logic about Americans not winning while we are involved with Iraq; however, Pinter is a Brit, and they are, in the eyes of the muslim world, equally evil.

Re: JCO: RE: Nobel Prize

Hi, Steve. Yeah, we're not very popular right now. But perhaps JCO's
portrayals of US culture -- warts and all -- might appeal to the judges. (PS:
technically, Bellow was Canadian, though his writing is thoroughly Usonian -- to
use Frank Lloyd Wright's precise designation for all things pertaining to the
USA.)
Cyrano

In a message dated 10/14/2005 3:44:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jandsmerritt@earthlink.net writes:

<< Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't think that any Americans will win the
literature prize while the Iraq war is still going on. I'm reminded of how
Steinbeck won shortly before the U.S. got heavily involved in Vietnam, and
then no American won until Bellow did right after the Vietnam war ended.
Stay healthy, JCO!

Steve
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