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Monday, September 13, 2004

Re: JCO: New story: Spider Boy

Hi, Laurie: That's the truth. TV's come eons since FATHER KNOWS BEST, a
show I still enjoy, with it's playful, old-fashioned moral lessons and
instruction in middle class deportment.
I just read "Spider Boy" in the New Yorker. For me, the story did its
crucial pivot the first time the words "the hitchhiker" appear. From there the
story took off! I liked the theme of the story -- which also appeared in
JCO's young adult novel FREAKY GREEN EYES -- that when a young person elects to do
the morally right act, that choice can make his/her life very difficult and
unpleasant for a LONG time. (Unlike in Father Knows Best, where the correct
moral choice may make the young hero/heroine's life a bit uncomfortable for a
little while, but one always gets Father's quiet, wholehearted approval and warm
support.)
When the hero of "Spider Boy" is ordered out of the car and decides to
walk up a hiking trail, I was frantic to see where in hell this story was
headed. I was afraid he might encounter some Arnold Friend type up the path. What
he does encounter on the hiking trail created a deeply poignant effect: the
expression of his heart's secret desire -- impossible to be fulfilled now,
thanks to what has happened in his family.
Other JCO stories that came to mind around "Spider Boy" were those that
deal with a young person being used as "bait" by a predator: ie "The Girl With
the Blackened Eye," the novella FIRST LOVE, and the novel MAN CRAZY.
There's also the theme of the young person who discovers that his/her
parent has committed an unforgiveable crime, as in the short story "The Fruit
Cellar" or the novel FREAKY GREEN EYES. I know there are other examples of
this theme in other fiction, but I'm spacing now: I guess WONDERLAND comes
close: what Jesse's father does to the kids in his family at the start of the
novel. JCO grapples with issues that few other writers care to explore. I used
"The Girl With the Blackened Eye," in a class a few years back, and most of
the women were very upset with it and wondered why JCO would write such a
disturbing tale, and make it so hard to forget. One reader was nearly in tears, as
though someone had forced her to watch pornography.
Cyrano



In a message dated 9/13/2004 3:49:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
laurie@betteredit.net writes:

<< Maybe in the old days the New Yorker was more
exclusively urban and middle class. So was TV, back in
the 50s!
Laurie >>
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JCO: New story

Hi friends!
Thanks Ryan! I appreciate the info, as I only get
the New Yorker when someone drops his old copies off
at the public library.
Many members of my editors' group are disappointed
in the direction the New Yorker has taken since Tina
Brown took over. I don't know anything about that; I
just know I like it now. It's the only rag I read. I
get so much pleasure out of it, especially the short
stories.
Maybe in the old days the New Yorker was more
exclusively urban and middle class. So was TV, back in
the 50s!
Laurie

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Re: JCO: New story

Yes, I did know that (from reading "Invisible Writer) and I think it's
ridiculous, of course. But, actually, oddly enough, her debut New Yorker
story "Zombie" was the very first thing I ever read of JCO. It blew me away.
She's been my favorite writer ever since.

Ryan.

on 9/13/04 1:10 PM, Cyranomish@aol.com at Cyranomish@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for the heads-up, Ryan. Did you know that the New Yorker editor Bill
> Shawn rejected JCO's fiction for many years? Only with the advent of Tina
> Brown did the magazine start using her work -- catching up for decades of lost
> time in 1994 with the novella ZOMBIE. According to Greg Johnson's bio, John
> Updike sent JCO a congratulations postcard noting that Shawn, by then
> deceased,
> must be "twirling" in his grave.
> Cyrano
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2004 1:59:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ryan@go-mdi.com writes:
>
> << Hi, everybody.
>
> I noticed that this week's New Yorker short story is written by JCO. It's
> called "Spider Boy." Thought you'd like to know. You can read it free online
> this week only at newyorker.com.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ryan.
>
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Re: JCO: New story

Hi, Ryan. I would not have called it ridiculous, exactly: each magazine
strictly cultivated its own particular style. In the mid-20th century there was a
defininte "New Yorker" type story. What seemed odd to me in the 1970s was
that some of JCO's stories could pass as a "New Yorker" style story, but were
nevertheless passed over. In the mid-1970s, the story in MARRIAGES &
INFIDELITIES ' "Problems of Adjustment in Survivors of Natural/Unnatural Disasters"
seemed to me a very New Yorker-type story: for one thing, the typical JCO
violence was muted, offstage, instead of in your face as so many of her stories were
at that time. I guess Shawn just put a blanket "do-not-consider" ruling on
some writers. I suspect there were other automatically vetoed writers in
addition to JCO. And, too, more mainstream magazines published short fiction back
then: The Saturday Evening Post, Cosmopolitan (pre-Helen Gurley Brown), McCalls,
Redbook, Esquire, and others often had several short stories in one issue.
So if the New Yorker rejected your story, there were plenty of mainstream mags
that might take it instead. That's all changed now. The market is much
scanter. People watch TV more than they read magazine fiction. Too bad. But
that's how things worked out.
Cyrano

In a message dated 9/13/2004 2:39:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ryan@go-mdi.com writes:

<<
Yes, I did know that (from reading "Invisible Writer) and I think it's
ridiculous, of course. But, actually, oddly enough, her debut New Yorker
story "Zombie" was the very first thing I ever read of JCO. It blew me away.
She's been my favorite writer ever since.

Ryan.
>>
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Re: JCO: New story

Thanks for the heads-up, Ryan. Did you know that the New Yorker editor Bill
Shawn rejected JCO's fiction for many years? Only with the advent of Tina
Brown did the magazine start using her work -- catching up for decades of lost
time in 1994 with the novella ZOMBIE. According to Greg Johnson's bio, John
Updike sent JCO a congratulations postcard noting that Shawn, by then deceased,
must be "twirling" in his grave.
Cyrano

In a message dated 9/13/2004 1:59:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ryan@go-mdi.com writes:

<< Hi, everybody.

I noticed that this week's New Yorker short story is written by JCO. It's
called "Spider Boy." Thought you'd like to know. You can read it free online
this week only at newyorker.com.

Enjoy!

Ryan.

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JCO: New story

Hi, everybody.

I noticed that this week's New Yorker short story is written by JCO. It's
called "Spider Boy." Thought you'd like to know. You can read it free online
this week only at newyorker.com.

Enjoy!

Ryan.

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